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for putting up with all the bs from the main stream media with some of the controversy with the tea parties, false accusations of this group being racist, violent. thank you to the tea party express for putting up with that and still uniting americans. welcome to "morning joe." >> oh, wow, i'm awake now. and angry. >> that was a bit of a higher pitch. >> it was high pitched and degrading. >> really? >> yes. >> wow, that's tough. >> i'm just saying, you can work on that. that can be fixed. >> okay. good morning to you. >> i'm sorry. that was in my ear piece like blaring at -- what is that? why did we start with that. >> that's sarah palin. >> could we prepare for that terrible sound? >> well, in "the new york times" there's a very interesting poll about the tea party express. >> well, actually, it's really
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interesting di-- >> well, it is. people ought to take note of those news. >> it is. it's been caricatured by many in the northeast press and i don't think they're getting it quite right. also a fascinating poll out about george bush. do you miss me now? >> maybe some do, is what those numbers indicate. do you want to do it now or -- >> well, sure. i just heard chris. >> would you rather have obama as president or george w. bush? >> wow. that's getting kind of close. >> i -- i'm not sure what to say about that. >> what do you think of him now? mort zuckerman's with us. how are you, mort. another one bites the dust. pataki yesterday says he's not going to be running for governor. he was going to be on the show today. >> i look forward to him. >> will you reconsider? >> on an alphabetical basis.
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>> wls george pataki, we have tom brokaw, senator tom coburn, and reverend al sharpton. and look at this green tumbler. thank you, starbucks. i don't understand how to use it. >> if you put stuff -- >> how do you drink out of it? >> don't they give it to you free if you fill it up -- >> 20% recycle -- >> i don't think we're helping out here, helping the cause. what is this for? >> this one cup could be used every day and save trees. all right. that's nice. >> i think they give you free stuff. >> look, we're mannequins. >> why don't we do news now since that product placement thing did not work well positive. the battle over financial regulation is escalating in washington. as both democrats and republicans are jockeying to
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claim the anti-wall street label. in a bipartisan meeting yesterday with congressional leaders, president obama stepped up his personal efforts to win senate passage of his reform bill. the white house is insisting republicans get a strong bill. republican leaders, however, are saying the democrat proposal leads the door open to future bailouts of big financial firms. >> this bailout fund does, it makes permanent too big to fail. >> they thought this was a great political issue for them and they wanted to try to jam us. >> to ca stchlt tigate, label it, to say it's a bipartisan debate, to perpetuate it's too big to fail, it's poppycock. >> big words on the floor of the senate. what is it? is the bill poppycock?
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>> no. >> what is this that? >> i've known it as the game of badminton. >> you don't think it is poppycock? >> to. >> willie geist, is it poppycock, as chris dodd says? >> sounds like an old fashioned world like whippersnapper. >> tomfoolery. federal reserve chairman ben bernanke is showing optimism. speaking yesterday, bernanke said moderate recovery had begun but warning reducing unemployment will take a significant amount of time. bernanke pushed lawmakers to address the record high budget deficits. >> although sizeable deficits are unavoidable in the near
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term, requires policy makers move decisively to set the federal budget on a trajectory toward sustainable balance. postponing them will only make them more difficult. >> mort zuckerman, let's take the first part of this news story. is this economy turning around? >> i think it's getting better. don't know that it's getting better in terms that a lot of people in this country will be happy with because there still is a high level of unemployment or partial unemployment. and home prices, which are 62 2/3 of americans own their own home, the home prices are sopped, a lot of people own their own homes, and a lot of homes are coming on the market because they're going to be foreclose cl foreclosed. >> on national review, aaron kudlow says he's expecting v-shaped recovery, that good
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times are coming. >> i hope he's right. i'm not nearly that optimistic about it. and frankly the pessimists have been proven correct over the past couple of years. there's been a huge monetary stimulus in the economy and it's having its effect. the question is, will it be sustainable? >> and ben bernanke issues yet another warning about high def sits. >> he's not alone. >> he's talking to people that just don't listen. they don't -- congress just doesn't listen. the white house doesn't listen. this white house doesn't listen. congress doesn't listen. the bush white house didn't listen. the republican congress didn't listen. they don't listen. they just want to give away goodies to their constituents and they just want to expand the entitlement state in washington, d.c. obama has done it now. and bush did it with a $7 trillion medicare expansion. >> i think they're listening.
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i hate to say they're not listening -- >> no, they're not listening. >> the white house will tell you that the health reform plan and other efforts that they have look toward reducing the deficit. they've talked about it before. i think not as much as you'd like it to be done, but you should say what you think should be cut. because you ask that of all republicans that come on and they can't seem to answer, but you seem to have that answer. >> well, of course i do. and the thing is, also -- >> because something has to be cut. >> if the obama administration is serious about deficits shlgs th , then they need to go out and put out another budget plan that doesn't expand debt. they double the debt they received from george w. bush. doubled the debt. >> what goes? that's great. we know that. we know that. we've heard everybody say that. >> paul ryan touched on it yesterday. i think the big -- the huge issue are entitlements.
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there is no doubt about it, as paul ryan said, the retirement rates for social security is going to have to go up. you know, if you are 55 or older, you're not going to be touched. but if you're 55 or younger, your retirement age is going to have to go up because life expectancy was 62 when social security was put in place. retirement age was 65. now life expectancy goes to 78, 79, 80. so, these numbers just don't add up. the same thing with medicare. we're going to have to slow down the rate of growth in medicare. nobody's doing it. and so, it's -- again, if the white house is serious, they need to put another budget out there that doesn't double the debt that george w. bush gave us. again, i'm not talking about over the next one or two years because you'll have liberals say we have to stimulate the economy. no. i'm talking over the next
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decade. his plan over the next decade is devastating to this economy. it's unsustainable. according to the congress budget office. mort, it's unsustainable according to barack obama. what game are they playing? what game are the republicans playing? what game is washington playing here that they don't listen to bernanke and others? >> i think it is clearly unsustainable. the fact is that nobody wants to take the action necessary because there are short-term political costs and this is a country that has abandoned the ability to do that. if you want an illustration, medical tort liability. it is a huge cost to our health care program. and the democrats were unwilling to take on the trial lawyers -- >> is it really? >> yes. >> i have seen different numbers on tort. i don't disagree with it, actually, but i feel like that's the sort of easy way out for republicans to make an argument as to what should change. >> it's not an easy way out. >> what needs to be cut. >> it causes what is called
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defensive medicine. a lot of doctors put a lot of extra costs into the health care system to avoid legal exposurex. where were the democrats on that? >> the cbo says it's $5 # 4 billion that could have been saved but they didn't want to save the money because it went against their special interests. let's not re-debate that. >> little tax day. the tea party is marking the day in washington where it will be protesting government spending which members say is out of control under the obama administration. yesterday sarah palin -- >> the bush administration -- >> yesterday sarah palin joined tea party activists at a rally in boston insisting taxes and spending are too high and palin blames the democrats for that. >> to keep borrowing and spending and inventing these big new government programs with enormous price tags, it makes no sense. all of this makes us more of a
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hole into foreign countries. it makes us less secure. it makes us less free. i'm not calling anyone unamerican but the unintended consequences of these actions, the results are unamerican. >> all right. meanwhile, a new york times/cbs poll shows 6% of tea party supporters blame -- >> oh, my gosh, i want some of that tea. holy cow. hold it. let's stop. let's just take a moment. >> keep that up there right now because i was just very critical of the obama administration and they deserve harsh criticism when it comes to deficits because their plan over the next decade doubles the national debt. the bush administration took a $155 billion surplus when they came into office, turned it into a 1.5 trillion deficit. they doubled the national debt
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to $11.8 trillion. they gave obama a horrific economy with falling numbers as far as revenue coming in. so to have only 6% of any group blaming the bush administration, at least equally for the deficit, is laughable. >> i don't disagree. >> i didn't expect you to. >> the poll also expects tea party backers are wealthier. this is interesting and people should take notice. they are wealthier, more educated tan the jnl public with 70% having at least a college degree and 50% earning $50,000 a year. >> more educated but they didn't read newspapers for eight years while bush was putting out his budgets. >> well, that's true. >> doesn't that cut into their central tenet where they say
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wire not worried about partisan, not overspending? >> isn't it fair to say the tea party is borne of this administration and the past one? they're not ignoring what happened, are they? they're not stupid. >> the tea party came about because of anger toward george w. bush and republicans as well as barack obama. it seems their focus is a bit narrow. again, i didn't recall sarah palin in 2005-2006 going on tv, criticizing george w. bush, calling his budget deficits un-american. >> the whole issues of the deficits has exploded because we're adding $10 trillion over the next decade. that is unsustainable. it is just unsustainable. it's going to cause huge problems for america so we have to do something about it. >> i want to ask you about that. >> this is one of the frustrating thing. every time i talk about the deficits you'll have democrats g it's george bush's fault.
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and every time you tell republicans, oh, it's all barack obama's fault. no, it's actually both of their faults. and this is just math. this is simple math. you look at barack obama's budget over the next decade, it is frightening. again, bush was horrific in doubling it from about $5 to $10 trillion. obama doubles it from $10 to $20 trillion. no spending cuts are made. nothing responsible. no restraint shown. george bush and barack obama have more in common than extremists want you to believe. >> we need to dig into what mort thinks is going to cause us problems. >> putting things off on a credit card. >> and some people, on this tax day, it's important for americans to know, there are some people that believe the problem is, you don't pay enough taxes. i had a guest here told me
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offset that he thinks there should be 75% tax rates. it said with a straight face. coming up, in 1994 newt gingrich delivered a contract for american. now they are working on a new one in hopes of winning back the white house. plus, breaking news overnight. russia takes a dramatic stand involving that high profile adoption case in tennessee. we'll bring you the latest. allegations of insider trading at one of wall street's most powerful firms. first, here's bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> good morning, everyone. another beautiful day under way in the areas of the northeast, mid-atlantic. this is fantastic. we're going to crash here in the next two days as rain and cold air moves in. enjoy today, 60s and 70s pretty much widespread. look what happens as we go into friday. areas of connecticut, highs only in the 40s with rain. boston, cold and chilly. even chillier down around new
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york. the only warm spot hanging on tomorrow will be d.c. beautiful weather through the florida, southeast. problem areas today, texas and up through areas of oklahoma with some rain. overall, your forecast looks really nice on this thursday. enjoy the warmth while it lasts. you're warming "morning joe" brewed by starbucks.
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>> is this what their change is all about? i want to tell them, nah, no, weep keep clinging to our constitution and guns. you can keep the change. >> wow. what do you think, willie, you're a voice coach for some of hollywood's biggest stars? >> it's superficial thing to say. i'm not talking about the content. i'm talking about, the sound was grating. >> great content. she maybe needs to bring it down a notch. >> if you take these into starbucks, first they will save the planet. secondly, they'll give you more importantly, free coffee. >> that's nice. >> willie tells me you can do other things with these. >> you're such a mannequin. >> drill a hole -- >> this is ridiculous. >> brewed coffee. >> let's admit it, you're a brewed coffee. >> right there. let's read "morning papers". >> wall street journal --
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prosecutors are examining whether a goldman sachs executive. and the l.a. times, u.s. boost antitaliban special forces. a build up of special teams that reflects time is running out to overtake taliban. "new york times" -- after years without a political test connecticut attorney general bloom bloomenthal is showing some rust. he struggled in his first televised debate and now some are calling martha coakley in pants. your tweets made history. >> what? >> the library of congress will archive every public tweet since twitter began. i am so screwed. >> yeah. >> making some fret about privacy issues. >> tell you about bloomenthal, just once in my career, i like him very much, needs to get angry. okay? he needs to get angry. >> i like him a lot.
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>> and actually make -- >> get angry about what? >> he's flat on all of them. i want to see him get angry. >> richard, keep calm and carry on. keep calm and carry on. >> he can afford to get angry. let's go to willie geist. >> the republicans stealing your ideas from '94. >> really? >> mike allen, political -- chief political correspondent for politico has a look at the playbook. >> you want rage? i've got rage. >> a new contract with america, i understand? >> yeah. house republicans are talking about what they're going to put out in the fall to sell themselves as being ready to run the government. ifthy got the majority? if the dog catches the car, what will he pass? there's a problem. if you put out enough specifics, the ten bills you would pass, like gingrich did in '94, that gives you a ton to shoot at.
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there's a split now that politico's jake sherman picked up on. some leads of the house republicans want to be quite specific. others are like, whoa, how are we even going to satisfy our own base on issues like immigration? how are we going to reach out to independents, moderates if we do too much about abortion? so, it's ten points and they're trying to decide, should we go bill by bill or just have pretty ideas? >> joe, you've been down this road. what's the objective with something like a contract for america? >> seriously, it's great. you go out on the campaign trail. you say, if you put us in charge, here are the ten thing we're going to do. >> what should republicans say they're going to do about immigration? >> well, you pick your ten, mike. >> okay, okay. >> we didn't -- well, no, seriously. we didn't talk about immigration back in 1994. but you certainly can talk about, we will balance the budget. we will guarantee that we will put a budget on the floor that balances at least in the next
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decade, whereas democrats are saying, we can't ever balance the budget. you can say, we are going to be against increased taxes. you can say, we're going to have, you know, entitlement reform. there are some things you can support. some of the thinks i wish they would retread, like term limits. i would love for them to go to the mat on term limits. >> is this for committee chairman or for -- just to be a member? >> this is a member, for everybody. >> how many terms would you give us? >> four terms. >> but again -- by the way, we learned, that's a great question because we learned from the last contract with america the way that term limits were killed is half the people said we want six years, the other people said we want 12 years, so everybody voted against the bills. i voted for all of them. but maybe this one you say, eight years, term limits, and have people go out and
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campaigning on it. it would -- things like that, where you're talking about reforming washington, mort zuckerman, those would be huge hits on the campaign trail. and it would hold leaders accountable one they got elected. >> i also think, you know, so many people in this country have a mortgage that exceeds the value of their home or threatens the value of their home and have credit card lines they can't afford, that they finally understand that debt means something. once it affects them personally, they look at it nationally. so, i think there are issues there that would have a very, very broad layer of support. and the one thing i think really is terrifying the american people is this runaway budget deficit. >> mike allen, you're skeptical? >> no. i think it's a gooth good idea. you point out it doesn't have to be comprehensive. it's not a catalog. >> mike allen. thanks very much. an erupting volcano is causing travel chaos -- >> you just interrupted willie geist.
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>> i was interrupting here. >> really, one needs not criticize -- >> yeah, interrupting. go ahead. >> yeah, right. disrupting flights from -- to and from the u.s. this morning. we'll have details when we come back. and looking ahead to tomorrow, the director of "avatar," james cameron will be with us. keep it right here on "morning joe." [ male announcer ] there are 16 chevy models with a five star frontal crash safety rating. that's peace of mind for every size family. chevy... may the best car win.
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know you're making fun of my show. mika says, how can i make fun of a show i new england even watch? >> that's true. >> i'd been on for five years. at that point i picked up the phone and i said, phil, i think we found the co-host for "morning joe." true story. >> a lot of talk going on in the evening there. just a lot of talking. i sort of tuned it out. >> yeah, you did. >> sort of like now. >> that skill applies to "morning joe." welcome back to "morning joe." just after 6:30 on the east coast. a look at today's top stories. toyota announces it will now test the safety of all sport utility models. the effort is to reassure buyers after consumer reports placed a don't buy label on the 2010 lexus gs460 due to possible rollover problems. toyota says it has not decided whether to recall the gx460, which is stopped selling in the u.s. following the consumer reports warning. an erupting volcano in iceland is affecting flights
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from u.s. to europe this morning. flights have been halted across northern europe. it's the volcano's second eruption in two months but officials say this one is 20 times more powerful than the last one. hundreds of nearby residents have been evacuated. breaking overnight -- the russian foreign ministry is suspending all adoptions of russian children by americans. the freeze will be in effect until the two countries reach an agreement on adoption procedures. it comes after a tennessee woman sent back her 7-year-old adopted son to moscow by himself with a note claiming she no longer wanted to raise him. the case has ignited strong outrage in russia and here at home. >> well, and it should. i know we disagree. this lady did everything wrong. >> it appears. >> irresponsible and treated this young boy like a dog. >> well, they're actually investigating her. >> they should investigate her. >> we'll see. i think we refrain judgment. >> until we hear from her. >> yeah.
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what are you looking at today in sports? >> jerry jones, the dallas cowboys owner -- >> fired tom landry. never forgive him for that. >> always controversial. always saying what's exactly on his mind. he probably didn't know he was being filmed when he said a few things the other night at a bar. he was filmed on a cell phone camera talking about his former head coach big parcells. you see the two smiling right there. also, tim tebow, would you say expected to be drafted. jerry jones on those two gentlemen. >> romo was a miracle. >> he was a miracle, wasn't he? >> he almost never got in. tebow would never -- >> what if you were the jaguar? would you just draft him and soil [ bleep ] jerseys? >> that's the only reason i brought in bill parcells. >> i love him. >> i know you do. >> that came up on
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>> bill parcells, one of the best coaches of the past quarter century and that guy saying he's not worth anything? >> parcells came out and said, now i know where i stand with jerry after seeing that. >> good to know. parcells, one of the great coaches. you look at the great coaches around the nfl, most have a connection with parcells. i love parcells. >> i would just say, too, if i had everything recorded i've ever said in a bar, i wouldn't be real proud of it either. let's show a little baseball. sgints p giants and pirates. why are we showing you this is game? >> good question. >> inside-the-park home run. aubrey huff, not known as a speed demon, hitting one off the wall in san francisco and it takes a weird ricochet. he looks like you and me running the bases. the second baseman had to go out and get it. he comes in, sliding, yes, aubrey huff, an inside-the-park home run, gets some ribbing from his teammates. he's huffing and puffing there. giants win the game 6-0.
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another game you might be wondering why we're showing you, the new jersey nets and the miami heat. we show you this because the nets' long nightmare is finally over. the regular season ends. they lose in double overtime to miami. the final numbers on the nets, 12-70. 12 wins, and 70 losses. not the worst time of all time but pretty darn close. >> sounds like my pitching record. one more piece of video to show you here. this happens every time you rise up to throw down on a dunk. a little dunk context. the guy gets his feet up. that's a nice theaterical move. the problem s he got himself stuck in the rim. they had to bring in technicians and a ladder and all kinds of things here. got his legs caught -- >> is he okay? >> had to leave the leg behind. >> yeah, he's okay. beautiful dunk. so they finally eventually got this young guy out of the rim. i hope it was worth it, my friend.
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he's okay. that's the good news. >> that's good. coming up next, john mccain says it's time to, quote, pull the trigger on iran. what exactly did it mean? we'll talk about it with the president on council for foreign relations, richard haass. mika's must read opinion pajsz. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. so i'm on a red eye back from a bachelor party with my buddy mike, who is a terrible, terrible dancer. he's actually right behind... what up, mike? hey, dude! [ laughs ] yeah, this is how he dances. uhhh! [ laughs ] it's, uh, haunting. anyway, while i was away, the e-trade machine... thanks, martha. ...worked its technomagic, triggered my stop loss orders, saved me a pantload! [ pilot ] please fasten your seatbelts. dad? no, mike, that's the pilot. he's making an announcement! dad? ugh.
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so, make to mistake, if iran achieves nuclear weapons capability it will not be because we couldn't stop it but
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because we chose not to stop it. the list goes on and on of the threats that we have, that we have made to the iranians and so far no action. george schultz once said, his marine drill instructor told him never point a gun at somebody unless you're ready to pull a trigger. we keep pointing the gun. haven't pulled a single trigger yet. it's about time we did. >> what does that mean? here to talk about it with us, council on foreign relations, richard haass, also author of "war of necessity, a war of choice." good to have you on the set with us this morning. along with mort zuckerman. john mccain, strong words. i would think his democrats might think his words are too severe. >> is it time to pull trigger on iran? >> show dancers know if you mean pull trigger, literally use force, we've got time. they are experiencing difficulty on their centrifuge perhaps.
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they're not on the brink so we don't have to decide whether we're ready to live with an iranian nuclear weapon or not. the immediate focus is on getting a new round of u.n. sanctions. we shouldn't kid ours. they'll be quite diluted. we should go for a round of much tougher sax with a coalition of the willing, several european countries. we shouldn't dilute ourselves with those. even those the -- >> do we have time, mort? >> nobody knows exactly how much time we have. i don't think mccain literally meant the trigger. it's a metaphor of trying to put real pressure on iran, which we have yet to do. >> that's a fair -- >> they have set all kind of dead lines. all those are behind us. it was supposed to be the end of december last year. they're having a great deal of difficulty of organizing international pressure on iran. and there is a sense that, frankly, we're going to accept the existence of a nuclear weapon. >> richard haass, i remember reading wall street journal editorials being harshly critical of the bush administration that drew one line in the sand after another and the iranians kicked the
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sand. >> laughed. >> they have thumbed their nose at the bush administration. they're doing the same thing to the obama administration. >> let's take a step back. we also want to encourage the opposition in iran, the new development there, that potentially gives us something to work with, so that gives -- you want to play a little for time there. also, even though mort said we don't know exactly where they are, we also have reason to believe they have not crossed a weapons threshold. we have time for the sanctions to play out. we can think about escalated sanctions even using military force. for example, to stop iranian oil imports. we have a whole series of steps. we shouldn't rush to use force. we're already involved in two wars. it's easier to start wars than it is to extricate yourself from them. the price of oil is now $80 a barrel. if we go to war with iran, that price
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going toward the development of nuclear weapons. >> we have an administration dealing with these types of issues. i'll read first from "the wall street journal," an editorial called "holdering on." mr. schumer knows democrats running for re-election this year don't want to defend the spectacle of mass murdering using propaganda exercise or claiming the evidence against him is inadmissible because it was produced by, quote, kor tour. yet such a spectacle is preci precisely the goal on the anti-terror left. they want to put bushs policies on trial more than they want to
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convict and hang ksm. mr. holder's mistake has been populating his office with those kind of lawyers. the more he indulges them the more he's embarrassing himself and his president. richard haass, you're shaking your head. >> this is a place where obama administration has been -- >> for those that don't attach the news story to the editorial, eric holder is now possibly changing his mind again, saying, perhaps, we will try khalid shaikh mohammed in manhattan after all. >> that was the next shoe to drop. the possibility of a public trial there in a civilian court. it seems to me the administration is creating a perception that it's got an unclear security agenda by putting these issues to the forefront. i would just think the inbox is crowded enough. we were just talking about iran. you've got afghanistan. you've got iraq. you've got north korea. you've got all the international -- >> that's what i don't understand. >> why add this to the in box. i don't understand that. >> the bottom line is, that there is -- i think "the wall
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street journal" has it right. from the beginning, when it came to these sort of issues on terror, on the cia, it seems like there are a lot of people in the obama administration, i suspect it goes all the way to the top, whose top priority may be proving to american they're not george bush or dick cheney. it has led them to make some unfortunate decisions. >> all administrations go through a little drill to say they're not their predecessors. almost invariably you get into trouble when you do it. >> just for the record, though, isn't this president at least in polls but also by the numbers of things they are doing from drone attacks to other efforts abroad, strong on national security? and seen that way on his own, by his own actions. >> that's part of the irony of this. in terms of what the administration is actually doing on the ground, vis-a-vis afghanistan where they tripped u.s. forces, pakistan, where they're doing a very intense drone series, where they're working closely with the
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government, you would say this administration's really muscular. yet the rhetoric, guantanamo, trial in new york, going after possible officials who served in the previous justice department, the domestic side of this looks weak and looks ideological. we're on the ground. it's actually quite robust. >> i don't know about the word weak -- >> let's talk about the last two weeks. obviously, the largest collection of world leaders in washington this past week since 1945. talking about the dangers of nuclear proliferation. last week the president meets president of russia in the czech republic. what should americans watching this show right now and watching news right now take out of those two weeks of nuclear talks? >> it's part of a much larger effort to reduce the role of nuclear weapons, to try to make nuclear weapons not just less central to american foreign policy -- >> i mean, let's break this down. are they safer? are americans safer because of what happened the past two weeks? >> at the margins.
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it's moving things in the right directions by reducing u.s./russian stockpiles, making it more transparent, good news. by getting countries to great create steps, good news. next month you have the meeting in new york, the nonproliferation treaty review conference, important. but all of this is against the backdrop of the reality of north korea nuclear weapons and the possibility of iranian nuclear weapons. >> and the question is, david sanger had a great article a toum days ago in "the times" where he was talking about how obama is making great progress on iranian sanctions with the president of china, but then halfway through the article singer correctly notes, then again, so did george w. bush. then the chinese used their power to make those sanctions ineffective once they got to the security -- >> 100% right. the price of getting china on board symbolically in a vote will be sanctions that are delayed and diluted. we shouldn't kid ours. that's the tradeoff. . if you want china's vote, which will send a message, you'll get
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something that will not materially effect iranian -- >> but china does get 20% of their oil from iran. >> well, in addition to that, they have huge investments in the oil industry of iran. they're building refineries, building pipelines, developing fields. and china, frankly, is about making money. you cannot expect they are going to help us. it's all just a charade, a political charade. you get a resolution that means nothing. >> mika, as we've said before on this show over the past decade, what we've been fighting wars, expending our blood, our treasure, china's quietly been going across the world, making investments like this. they're going to have long-term strategic impact. >> richard haass, thank you very much. good to see you again. >> richard, thanks for being here. greatly appreciate it. >> thanks for offering me your tie. i really appreciate it. >> i didn't mean it. still ahead -- >> it's in the mail. >> -- tom brokaw and al sharpton will be with us. first, willie, what do you have
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those two people would ever -- seriously. >> they both filed their own divorce papers. it was a mutual thing here. larry says, you know what, this is about his kids. he doesn't want to go public with this stuff. settle it amicably. >> of course. >> they'll get on with their lives and go their separate ways. seven down now. >> i never saw this one coming. i never saw this one coming. >> plenty of times -- >> chris, what did you say earlier? i'm trying to remember. i think when it's seven, it maybe is you, right? >> could be. >> well, i don't think larry's a quitter. i think he'll be right back in the game. perhaps even this morning. >> i expect number eight to be coming soon. i hope we're invited to the wedding. >> you know what's strange? my sources tell me that apparently larry's social life is getting in the middle of the marriage. >> yeah, crazy. >> too much time with you know who. >> with what? >> see, i told you it was low to the floor. >> i'm low to the floor. oh. here we go in the snoopville.
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what's the name? >> this is the magic. >> i'm still on the brake. why are we moving? >> spending too much time together. god speed, you two. one more story. this is absolutely ridiculous, joe. now, no rod blagojevich. >> american hero. >> yeah, persecuted -- >> yeah, and i must say, persecuted by the 21st century's abraham lincoln. donald trump even goes after this great man. >> that was disgusting. >> you know how great donald trump is. >> new court documents came out wednesday revealing details of the allegations against him. you know what, i'll just let blago say it, quote, it's the same old false allegations and lies. i'm looking forward to the trial so everyone can see i am innocent. >> yes, yes. all we want is john lennon saying, just give me some truth. >> free blago. >> cheeseballs. >> they keep attacking this guy. why? he said it best when the charges
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is that what barack obama meant when he promised the nation they would fundamentally transform america?
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is this what their change is all about? i want to tell him, nah, you know, we'll keep clinging to our constitution and our guns and religion and you can keep the change. >> welcome to "morning joe." you know, you watch sarah palin up there, and just one question comes to mind, mika. >> what's that? what's that? >> how did she get donny deut h deutsch's red leather jacket? >> i think they must have planned it. >> that voice, if you do that one more time, i'm going to -- >> hey, stop it. she was in the upper registers yesterday. >> no, i mean, let's just be honest. it was a very grating high-pitched voice. >> a shrill. >> you can change that. >> perhaps they put a little too much trebel on her voice. >> i've heard that before. welcome to "morning joe." >> chairman of donny deutsch and reverend al sharpton. the national action network, joe, is holding a convention
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here in new york. we'll talk about that. >> and michael steele was there. >> yes. michael steele -- >> a lot of man loving going on between you and the head of the rnc? >> today the head of the dnc will be there. we are bipartisan. >> good. >> i'm bipartisan. the action network is multipartisan -- >> you are partisan, you must love michael steele, rnc, taking them straight down. >> he raised more money than any other chairman. yesterday he laid out some interesting things. secretary was there yesterday -- >> bill o'reilly. >> ed schultz was very impressive. >> how did that go? >> it was very contentious. but our delegates got to see mr. o'reilly and mr. schultz represent. >> get a bill? >> bill and i go to dinner. we don't agree on many issues, but we talk. we're civil.
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>> he's a stand-up guy. >> i give him credit for coming. he comes. he knows it's not a crowd that's going to applaud him but he comes. >> salute him for that. what about ed, in the middle of bill's speech, did he go, that's psychotalk? >> he was very quiet while he was speaking but he got up after. ed could probably pass for a preacher on sunday morning. he really -- he's a very passionate guy, though. >> yes, he is. >> let me ask you, donny deutsch, because are you sitting at the tiger desk right now. >> we're done. >> tiger woods -- hold on a second. >> i want legitimate policy discussion -- >> thank you. >> so, here's the deal, okay? we, of course, all blessed tiger woods, he had that phoney press conference and then he had a great press conference the week of the masters. and we go, that's a real guy. he said, i'm not going to get as up set on the course and appreciate the fans more. and so i was happy for him. i really was.
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then i saw him storm off the 18th green. they asked him a question, what do you think about this? after the crowds had given him like a five-minute standing ovation after he let all of them down, their children down, what do you think of all this, tiger? he said, i finished fourth. >> good answer. >> even jim nance was -- look at him still defending tiger. even jim nance was put off by his bad behavior on the course and jim nance hardly criticizes anybody. >> i saw that interview. i'm surprised you didn't interrupt it that way. i come to win. i finished fourth. i'm not happy. if i'm nike, that's what i want. he's tiger being back to tiger. . i don't want the greatest competitor in the world to get up there and say, i'm happy to be finishing fourth. >> would it really have killed him to say, well, first of all, i'm really appreciative of these fans have come out -- >> he said that at the very end when he said, how do you feel about the tournament, it was a great response. i still think the biggest news event of that tournament is billy payne, head of augusta,
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chastising and spanking tiger woods where augusta has done more to hurt woman, massaging -- >> oh, my god. >> no, it's truth. not letting women -- >> give me a break. >> what is that, joe? >> you and howard need to go off in a corner and run your jihad against the masters again. >> there are no jews in there, no women in there. >> that's a good point. >> and a man sitting on a pedestal spanking tiger woods for what he's done? i mean, i -- you can feel whatever you want about tiger woods, but billy payne, head of the masters sitting in judgment, again, get into the 21st century. am i missing something? mort, would they let you in? >> on an alphabetical mast. >> would they let you in? >> no. >> would they allow you in? >> apparently not. >> they wouldn't at&t allow me in either. >> they wouldn't allow -- >> but the three of us are ace golfers. >> actually, have i a natural
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talent for golf. >> yeah, i bet you do. i bet do you. >> no, but you know what -- to make a point on your point is that when he walked in there was, he was clapped by the golf reporters. >> gave him a standing ovation. >> what is he supposed to think? he's a jerk because the world makes him one. >> he's got an way with it. >> those people are a bunch of pansies, seriously. >> i thought it was -- made me very uncomfortable. i thought it was exmroid mroplo >> i thought it was a stroke of genius. >> of course you did. you're a scum bag when it comes to tiger woods. >> don't call me a scum bag. >> we're friends. i can call you a scum bag. >> it's mr. scum bag to you. >> but in this small area, you know, in this one little area, we all have our blind spots. your blind spot's tiger. you still want that account. who knows, maybe you can keep -- you may get it. >> oh, joe, bad language. >> once again, i think that there's such an overreaction that a billionaire, 33-year-old,
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who's on the road, is screwing a bunch of women, i was as shocked about that as i was -- >> well, you know, come on. >> first of all -- >> let's grow up. >> kids are watching this. >> i have children. >> it is tax day, by the way. i have to ask you, you're probably a liberal because you're so wealthy, probably one of these liberals that thinks taxes should be raised like 70% since you can afford accountants and lawyers -- >> first of all, i pay my fair share. i don't believe taxes should be 70%. i believe taxes are a good thing. i think we're getting a little crazy right now. in reality, more americans have had tax cuts than ever before this year. taxes are going up. the average american is still -- don't tell me 200,000-plus, because i know in manhattan that's not reality. you know, we're in a dangerous place here. i'm happy to pay my attacktaxes. i think, mort zuckerman, it's more to whack mort a little more. the world is not going to end. if the mort zuckerman and donny
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can deutsche -- >> we're men of the people here. >> don't put me in his category. >> you know, if you make $200,000 in manhattan, a family of five, are you not wealthy. that's how you are defined as wealthy by this congress and president. >> that's in manhattan. >> a family of five making $200,000. >> the difference is, this is the first time we've seen, and probably the core of your object junction, joe, where we start talking about the tax breaks going to the middle class and the working class rather than the rich. the trend before, i.e., the reagan air remarks the trickle down. we never got the trickle down. i think the 200,000-plus crowd can be happy for obama because now it's november arrangement. we're not waiting for the trickle. today we start seeing some relief. and i think that i'm glad you want to stand up for the common guy because the common guy's got a guy in the white house.
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>> well, i don't know how you define common guy. >> $200,000 plus in manhattan with a family of five. >> i do know that 40% of americans actually make a profit off of tax day every april 15th because of the earned income tax credit started by ronald reagan and a lot of other people. i know the top 10% of americans pay about 75%, 80% of all income taxes paid. >> there may be people happy, as you say, common guys in the white house, but a surprising number of people actually miss the former president. >> who's that? >> abe lincoln. >> look at this poll, reverend al. >> i miss him. >> would you rather have obama or bush as president. brand new poll, public policy polling. look at this, 46% george w. bush. >> doesn't that show, mort, over the past year and a half, we're a 50/50 nation again. put any republican up against any democrat, it's going to be
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50/50. >> you know, when obama ran, he was really running against george bush. george bush was very unpopular. right now obama's popularity has fallen off the edge of the table. it's another commentary on how weak obama is politically. if you look at the cbs poll, he's got a 44% approval rating and 2 1/2 weeks after health care, health care has a 34% approval rating. so, his numbers are falling off the edge of the table. >> can we throw another theory -- >> he knows he's got real -- >> can i ask reverend al, do you agree, we are once again a 50/50 nation? >> i think that we are. i don't know that that ever changed, other than when george bush, at the end of his presidency, was so unpopular. i think if you look at where president obama is in terms of his administration, in terms of where he is in his first term, and compare it to others, he's probably higher than most, at least equal to the most popular. so, we talk about fall off the table, fall off the table compared to who 16 months in?
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i think when you see the most active president, probably n our lifetime from health care to what he's done in other areas, i'm surprised he's not more unpopular. he's taken on some things because he has some core beliefs he stood up for. i think ultimately americans will respect him. >> done y tny, the white house never agree with this, but they're trying to get everything they can right now because they suspect the republicans will take over the house in the fall. if they do, so what? because they know a recovery is coming, as larry kudlow said, we'll probably have a v-shaped recovery. it's cyclical. >> right. >> and this economy will probably recover by 2012. he's much better off politically, is he not, with speaker john boehner to run against than speaker nancy pelosi? >> history shows us the country works better when it's split that way. that's where clinton found his mojo, reagan found his mojo.
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the interesting thing about that poll, this is endemic of who with we are as a society, because of the 24/7 media society, where we are in the world, a blow to the empire, that's not going to change, i think from here on in we have a 50% angry populous. if we did this 60 years from now it's going to be bring back obama. human behavior is, it's always better yesterday yesterday. pie theory today for us going forward, it's never going to be great. i don't think we're ever going to be america, where we were 20, 30 #, 40 years ago just because of where we are in our cycle in the world. >> in some ways that's a good thing. >> uk is. i think we'll be a more humble nation. because of that, we will never had the standing we once had. there will always be angry, angry, yesterday was better than today, bring back bush, bring back obama. >> you sound like my oldest son. you're such a defeatists. >> i'm just a realist. i think -- >> no, if you -- >> i don't agree with that.
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>> if you accept a diminished america, that does beshg your reality. >> we are the greatest country in the world, but we will not going forward ever be the kickers that we were 20, 30 -- >> how many times have you said that word in one sentence? >> we got on jonathan yesterday about early morning language. we've got joe -- >> you two are just a disgrace. >> you know, mort zuckerman -- >> i'm going to soak it in soap and water for you. >> i'll help you. mort zuckerman f you look at the 21st century, you look at how science is going to rule the 21st century, i think america is better positioned to dominate this century than any century before. >> i couldn't agree with you more. i think we have the most mrectionible, most open society. we're the most energetic people, most adaptable people. look at the recession. look at how quickly we've been able to adapt to one of the
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worst recessions we've had in the world. this is unique. we're still the most adaptable, most flexible, we have the best educational system in this country. i'm not saying we don't have problems in this country. i don't think it's -- >> have you been to china? >> yes, have i been to china 15 times, thank you very much. >> you don't come back with what everybody else says? >> no. they have one-fourth expenditure on education we do. >> i wish i felt the way you do. >> well, i don't want to underestimate -- >> go to china with mort. >> reverend al, tell us more about your conference. >> we're going to deal with education, something you and i certainly agree on, that we've got to reform education and make it work. and he'll be there today. >> by the way, is he going to have the courage to keep fighting to stand up to the special interests that put adults over kids in schools? >> i think he will. i think he's made it clear. i think the president's made it clear. and i think that this is something that can unite both parties. it is not only just the
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education of inequality based on race that i came in to the argument concerned about. it's where we are globally. this country is 37th. we've got to raise the level of graduation rates on a global level. i think he's going to hold the line. i think this is something we can unite america about. this afternoon we are going to have the dnc chair, and bill cosby is speaking tonight about education and bullying. >> barney duncan is the best cabinet member in the obama administration. he's doing the most aggressive work possible. he deserves as much support as we can give him. >> and reverend sharpton deserves so much credit for stepping forward. i know it hasn't been popular with your friends but you've stepped forward, and correctly said, and we can see that walking into a school in harlem in ten minutes, that education is the civil rights issue of the 21st century. >> no question about it. you have to have core principles. you cannot fight and say you want these things to be
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corrected and ignore the fact that if kids are not being educated and are not the priority of education, then all else you're fighting for becomes positioning and posturing. you've got to save kids' lives. then the other social things have to go along with it. >> break the cycle. >> absolutely. >> it's happening up in harlem. >> all over the country. >> and happening to people like you -- >> i don't care about the popularity. i care about these kids. >> al sharpton, thank you so much. good to see you again. >> sorry about the language. we'll have the dial soap here. >> i'll give -- >> coming up in a few minute, tom brokaw will be here on the set. today, the first lady meets with the president of mexico. before that, michelle obama sat down with savannah guthrie. we'll go live to mexico city for more on that story. also, the new cover of "time" magazine. "morning joe" has your exclusive first look. first, bill karins with a check on the forecast.
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>> good morning, mika. hope you're ready for one more gorgeous day in areas of new york city, all through the big cities in the east. tomorrow's not going to be as pretty. first off, first thing's first. let's go to the airports and we're looking green. that means go. no problems at any of the major hubs. i expect the friendly skies to be just that all over the country today. look at today's temperatures in d.c. 75 and sunny. then look what happens tomorrow. temperatures plummet in new england. it's going to be a rainy, cool friday and saturday through much of new england. the rest of the country, san antonio, watch out for storms. i'll tell you what, 80 in chicago and sunny. you take it in the middle of april and run with it. enjoy lunch outside. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks.
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welcome back to "morning joe." 20 past the hour. first lady michelle obama is still in mexico on her first solo trip abroad as first lady. savannah guthrie sat down with the first lady to talk about everything. >> reporter: first lady michelle obama's first steps alone on the world stage. turned out to be dance steps. visiting a primary school here wednesday, she was serenaded in spanish. then in a speech aimed to inspire university students, tried out a little herself. [ speaking foreign language ] >> yes, we can. >> reporter: sitting down with us after the speech, she explained why she came to mexico but made no public mention of the violent drug war here. >> naturally, understandably, the issue of drugs freedom
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naturing. part of the reason i'm here is there's so much more that connects our countries besides the issue of security and drugs. >> reporter: on the issue that has washington buzzing, mrs. obama sidestepped the question of whether her husband should appoint another woman to the supreme court. but you have to have an opinion. a harvard educated lawyer. do you think there should be more gender balance? more gender equity on the court? >> diversity in this country is a good thing, whether it's gender, race, socioeconomic background or religion. you know, that's the world i come from. >> reporter: looking back on the year that was, mrs. obama said, a heated health care debate that at times turned ugly didn't get to her. did that make you angry? >> you know, i don't focus on the negative. that's not what people need the first lady and the president to be, is personally offended by criticism. they need people who are going to roll up their sleeves and work and get the job done. >> do you feel like you have to
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avoid krooefcontroversy? do you feel like you have to edit yourself? are there times you bite your tongue when you wish out you could speak out more freely? >> i think i am strategic. i troo toy be strategic because i want to make sure the things i do further my husband's administration. i, nor does anyone in the administration, want to be a distraction from that. >> reporter: does it feel confining at all? >> i am the first lady of the united states of america. i have so much that i can do. there is nothing confining about this experience. >> reporter: do you think you can change his mind on some things? >> i'm sure i could. you know, i'm a good debater. i've had my share of arguments. but, you know, my husband is -- he's a smart, open person. and i think he listens to all ideas, mine included. >> reporter: well, the first lady is still here in mexico city. she was hosted last night at the presidential residence by
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president kacalderone and first lady. she'll sit down with business leaders and then heading to san diego for a childhood obesity event. >> thank you. let's talk about what the president's doing today. >> reporter: yeah. >> what's the president doing today? >> reporter: well, yeah, he's going -- i'm like. i thought you were -- that was a really short question. i'm not used to that. he's going down to cape canaveral. as you know, back stateside there's a bit of a controversy over the space program and the cuts that the president has made, the constellation program, which was going to send u.s. astronauts back to the moon. you know, the shuttle program has long been slated for cancellation. the president didn't do that. but there's controversy over his decision to cancel this program, to go back to the moon. in fact, nasa did get a budget increase in the president's proposed budget. there's a real controversy here. what's interesting, you have
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astronauts versus astronauts. buzz aldren lining himself with the white house. he'll be on our show today. neil armstrong, first man on the moon, was critical saying the way the president has budgeted for nasa, it's set america up for immediamediocrity. i understand it because shuttle flights are going away, something that -- the president didn't make that decision. that was decided a long time ago. our astronauts have to get a ride on the russian shuttle to get up to the space station. the president will talk about that later today in florida. >> thanks a lot. in mexico city, greatly appreciate it. you know, donny, it's florida, florida, florida. with i heard about all these nasa cuts about three months ago, i said, this will not stand. it will not stand because barack obama needs to win florida in 2012. sure enough, i read the paper a couple days ago, we're going to mars. take 6 billion more dollars. i'm not sure we a-k afford a trip to mars.
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>> you talk about tort reform, we talked about cutting entitlements. i'm okay if we don't go to space. something's got to give somewhere. if you ask me to choose between education, defending our country and you and i having a condo on mars some day, i can pass on the condo. >> $6 billion, i believe it is, in nasa, increase in their budget because the president wants to go to mars. and most political observers would say, because you cannot politically cut nasa because the space coast is in a swing area in presidential elections. >> you know, that's the problem with our politics. there are so many special interest groups and special constituencies that you have to appease that you cannot do anything at all in terms of the overall national interest. i completely support what donny just said. we are going to have to cut somewhere. if we can't -- every state and every constituency is going to have a problem with it. coming up, a big story developing overnight. russia announces a tough new stance on adoptions, a fallout
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from the high-profile story from tennessee that i still -- i just don't get what that mother did. we'll be right back.
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>> yeah, hi, ann, actually. >> long-sufficienting woman. an erupting glacier volcano in iceland is causing massive disruptions and flights from the u.s. to europe this morning, a traveling ash cloud from that eruption has also grounded flights across northern europe. it's the volcano's second eruption in two months but officials say this one is about 20 times more powerful than the last one. >> they've shut koun all flights go in and out of london. >> my gosh. toyota announced it will now test the safety of all of its sport utility vehicles. the effort is to reassure buyers after consumer reports placed a don't buy label on the 2010 lexus gx460 due to possible rollover problems. toyota said it's not yet decided will weather to recall the gx460, which it stopped selling in the u.s. following the consumer reports' warning. >> how low can it go, one problem after another. >> this is a big shot for them. up until now it's been, okay, lexus is over here. in reality, if this has nothing to do with the other problems,
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it's still going to hurt them. >> what about japan as well? this this is such a huge company in japan. >> it's the largest company in japan. japan has enormous economic problems. they have gone down drammicly in the last decade. they haven't pulled out of it. their financial system, they call them zombie banks because they look like they're alive, but basically dead. the whole economy is much worse shape than anybody could have expected a decade ago. developing overnight, the russian foreign ministry is suspending all adoptions of russian children by american. the freeze will be in effect until the two countries reach an agreement on adoption procedures. it comes after a tennessee woman sent back her 7-year-old adopted son to moscow by himself with a note claiming she no longer wanted to raise him. >> russia has every right to do that. >> yeah. >> i mean, can you imagine if somebody sent an american kid, age 7, back to the united states with a note on his backpack? i don't to want take care of
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this child anymore? >> i don't know -- >> that's a sad story. >> i don't know if a lawyer advised that or -- >> there are a lot of kids in russia who are living terrible lives. i mean, in that sense, the adom adoption by american parents is an incredible gift. >> for so many. >> yes. we'll be right back with tom brokaw and a new look at the cover of "time" magazine with rick stengel. if you can't stay and watch, listen to us live on satellite radio, sirius 90/xm 120. we'll be right back. [ female announcer ] sometimes you need tomorrow
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new york is not off the table as a place where they might be tried, though we have to take into consideration the concerns that have been raised by local officials and by the community in new york city. we expect that we will be in a position to make that deshgs, i think, in a number of weeks. >> welcome back to "morning joe." 37 past the hour. here with us now -- >> he's not going to do it. >> no way. >> not in new york. >> no way. >> yeah, nice try. >> nbc's tom brokaw and "time" managing editor rick stengel, author of "mandel's way." rick is here to reveal the latest issue of "time" magazine exclusively first here. >> yes. >> before we do that, really quickly, tom brokaw, eric holder may be playing to a certain
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contingen contingency. it is thursday. rick stengel is here. that means his phone is on. can you believe that, chris? >> you know, usually somebody grabs it. i'm blaming it on staff. >> you want to toss it? >> you gave it to us. which means you're an important man. we have people e-mailing us saying if it's thursday morning, it's time for rick stengel. >> look at this thing. >> and why isn't he using an iphone, is -- >> that's a bigger question. >> tom, eric holder, he's probably not going to try khalid shaikh mohammed in manhattan. >> this seems so highly unlikely after the mayor has come out against it. i talked to a number of the federal judges who sit in that courthouse. they think it's a terrible idea. there are some people who say, oh, yeah, we can handle this and toob a great tribute to the american judicial system. no. i cannot imagine it's going to happen. i don't think it would happen in new york city. >> rick, you have reached out to, i think, one of the great families in america for a column in "time"? >> oh, yes, indeed.
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yes, about the polish tragedy, the russian plain crash, dr. brzezinski rote a terrific column. he basically dictated to us -- i'm sure you're used to that. >> yes, believe me. >> dr. brzezinski dictating to anybody? that's a shock. >> it's actually quite mooufling because he talks about the old tragedy they were commemorating and how there's some hopefulness that comes out of it, including some kind of new relationship between russia and poland. it's a moving piece. >> i loved talking to him a couple days after this tragedy. obviously, it broke his heart. the entire brzezinski family. and polish-americans. but he was so optimistic, also, about poland. he said, we're going to be fine. >> right. >> he said, we have come a very long way since 1989.
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and this country will be stronger because of this. >> and also i think the fact that there's now an area of sympathy between russia and poland in a way there wasn't before. i mean, it's a terrible, horrible tragic capstone, but it can be the beginning of something new. >> let's talk about the cover. >> and i -- bily the way, i thi it's great that obama is going to the funeral. it's amazing. that was an incredible decision. they weren't sure he was going. >> i have a small russian/polish story i would like to share, if i can. it was such an endairying moment. 20th anniversary of the fall of berlin, mikhail gorbachev had laureats come. and among them was lech, and he sat side by side with gorbachev. and one of his great causes now is a new security apparatus for europe. he thinks russia has been left out of of it a lot perfo.
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as he was carrying on, as gorbachev is inclined to do, about the necessity of having russia lead this new effort to have a skurlt apparatus for europe, you could see lech withdrawing, withdrawing and he said, we tried that with you last time. how about letting the poles do it this time? >> that would be like him. time to reveal the cover. >> the cover is about afghanistan. wapd is our own joe klein got imbedded with the army outside of kandahar and tells one story of a captain of a small group that tries to reopen a school in this little town, in this taliban-held district. it's a real moving story that is, in fact, a kind of paraable of counterinsurgency can work in afghanistan. and joe, who was a fan of counterinsurgency in iraq, is very skeptical about whether counterinsurgency can actually
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work. >> why is that? what's the difference between the two? >> the difference is that, as tom and i were talking beforehand, you know, afghanistan is in the -- so much is not even in the 20th century, not even in the 19th century. just to give you an example, joe went out on patrol with this captain. you know, went to this little village. people in the village would like to have the school reopened. the taliban closed it down in 2007. he's on patrol and the captain says to a person in this village, do you know what 9/11 was and what happened then? the person said, no. do you know what the united states is doing here in afghanistan? the person said, no. and they walked away. and joe was very demoralized by this and said to the captain, boy, that was terrible. and the captain said, well, at least he didn't think we were the russians, which is often what happens. he said, it's just -- it's so hard -- >> americans don't understand that a large portion of this
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population, tom, forget about the satellite dishes that we saw addition we see in iraq and iran across the middle east. one military man once told me a large segment of the population has never even had a radio. >> no. you know, the life expectancy for an afghan male in outlying areas is 46 years of age. when you go into those villages, there is no tradition of any kind of democratic rule, as we understand it. it's all tribal and it's worked out through the families. they have no infrastructure for connection to the village that is over the mountain. they don't even have a road to them. they don't have telephones to them. they don't have electricity. they live, ineffectively n clay huts in the most primitive possible conditions. >> and so many of these villagers have never traveled more than 10, 15, 20 miles from their home. >> not only that, but they have been embattled for so long, so a friend of mine from the cia had
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the best line about, i thought, the afghan villagers. he said, hi come back from there, i was with the 10th mountain division at that point. i was describing what it was like to go into the village. he said the trouble with afghans is they have reversible turbans. it depends on who's in town that day. you understand that, because that's how they have survived. they make a deal with whoever they have to. they remain skeptical. one of my all-time favorite stories about being in afghanistan was with the special forces in a village north of kandahar. it was a hot zone. there had been a lot of fighting going on. so, they went in. here's the dilemma, rick, i'm sure that joe encountered as well. these units have to fight the bad guys all night long, then go into the village and say, we're here to help. they're in vests and helmets and locked and loaded, they have to shake down every male in town. and then say, how do we help? and they're all male. and they say, we want to open the school. and the victima avillage elders
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daughter is not going to that school if men are going to be running it. everybody's gathering, and i'm asking every male there is. it they all say, i'm 45, i'm 45. and the cameraman said, that's the only number they know. they looked like they were 85. one of these guys comes running up to me. he's got the turban on, his robes were dirty and disheveled but he's obviously very proud into something. reaches deep into his tunic and comes out with this piece of paper. i unfold it and read it. it says, this man's name is mohammed. he worked for me for three weeks as a translator. he did a fairly good job, but don't trust him with any of your personal belongings. captain joe smith, united states army. the guy had no idea what the paper said. he was just carrying it around, thinking it was an endorsement. >> oh, my goodness. >> to your point, they don't trust anybody. they trust -- >> no. >> they trust whoever's in power. the local taliban, by the way, they understand them.
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they're family. we are competing against them, which is really hard. >> the one thing that happens is when you have foreign forces there, they've had so many over the years, it unites all tribes against them. we unite the afghan people against us. that's what happened with the russians. that's what happened going back to cyrus the great. they don't like outsiders. >> rick, bad news on the ground. of course, we're fighting to prop up a government run by karzai. >> well, it's -- >> it certainly seems -- >> well, he's made -- i mean, he's made his own calculation back, we're eventually going to get out. he has to make some kind of -- i mean, he's using his survival instincts. i think the u.s. is actually reacting with kind of appropriate moderation to that as opposed to saying, well, you know, you've got to get out of here. >> rick stengel, thank you very, very much. >> thank you, rick. congratulations on your book. >> yes, very exciting. >> thank you, thank you. >> nice to have you come back today. showing us the cover of "time." i'll learn to speak. tom broe cautious stikaw, sf
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♪ i have nothing if i don't have you ♪ >> joe, you are a lousy tipper. i remember. >> yeah, i was. i did give you one tip. right? don't go to whitney houston concerts. she's lost it. >> you found one you might want to go to. six grammy awards, sold more than 170 million albums but her comeback performance in bring bri tan this week has raised serious doubts about -- >> hey, we're on the air, man. >> serious doubts about her career. i was going to power through it. >> mort, hold on a second. >> this is important, too. this is whitney houston having a meltdown. >> coming in here to give us the breaking news of the morning. >> i just pomed in for a whitney houston piece. let's let peter alexander tell rest of the story.
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>> reporter: it was supposed to have been a stunning comeback. whitney houston back on stage to prove to fans at 46 she and her famous voice had survived years of drug addiction and a tumultuous marriage. >> hello? >> what are you doing? >> i'm waiting for you. what are you doing? ♪ oh, i want to dance with somebody ♪ >> reporter: the singer, who in her prime was celebrated as one of the best female vocalists of all time, was performing in birmingham, england, tuesday, for the debut of her "nothing but love" tour. but many in the audience that night complained they wanted nothing but earplugs and maybe a refund. in the following youtube clip shot by an audience member, houston begins rambling through her iconic song, "i will always love you," straining to hit notes. and when she reaches that famous, spine-chilling finale, there's a dramatic pause,
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practically long enough for fans to grab a bite, while houston appears to try to psych herself up. and finally. ♪ and i will always love you ♪ >> reporter: hard to believe the original version once sounded like this. ♪ and i will always love you ♪ houston blamed some of the problems on the air conditioning, but it wasn't just her voice. fans grew upset when houston disappeared from the stage for 15 minutes to change clothes. >> that's the kind of artist who can sell concert tickets, no matter how long it's been since she's had a hit. but if she can't deliver in concert, no one's going to buy those tickets. >> reporter: halfway around the world, a competitor on the taiwanese version of "american
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idol" is stunning audiences. imitation may be the highest form of flattery, but these days this young boy from taiwan may sound more like whitney houston than houston herself. >> i tell you, it didn't even sound that bad to me, whitney. >> what's amazing is we ran that back. >> and then you ushered mort off. now when the show goes down, let's bring mr. scumbag back. >> that was unfair. >> we thought you would be the person to talk about this. so compare whitney houston's career in a trajectory to tiger woods. go. >> that's like a late elvis show, you know, he's kind of stumbling around, forgets the lyrics. >> that little kid singing it is just not right. >> taiwan? >> i want an intervention there. >> it an intervention on who picked the package for "morning joe." >> and i'd like to apologize to
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the great tom brokaw. >> making him silt through this. >> tom enjoyed it. >> hey, let's move on. >> let's get out of here. >> good idea. >> that's like that lady we had on yesterday, the nine wonders of love or whatever. >> you better learn a few things, the attic and the basement. >> hey, guess what, former governors george pataki and william weld will be here. >> better. >> an active volcano disrupting air travel out of the united states this morning. (announcer) roundup extended control
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so, make no mistake, if iran achieves a nuclear weapons came, lit not be because we couldn't stop it but because we chose not to stop it. this goes on and on of the threats that we have -- that we have made to the iranians and so far no action. josh schulz, my favorite secretary of state in all the
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world, once said, his marine drill instructor told me over in point a gun at somebody unless you're ready to pull the trigger. we keep pointing the gun but haven't pulled the trigger and it's about time we did. >> tom brokaw with us on the set. former governor of new york, george pataki. >> he's in the news. what's he up to? >> i don't know. >> and former governor of massachusetts william weld. and of course still with us because he's lazy -- >> stop it. that's crazy. >> he's at the whitney houston cam. tom brokaw, being serious, yesterday we ran clips of john mccain, and mccain appearing to play to the base of arizona republicans more than his longtime constituency. now, are you surprised as barnicle was and i am that john mccain seems to be running away from this maverick image as quickly as possible?
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>> no. he's in a tough political fight in arizona, and you have to adapt to the conditions of the time. i'm a little surprised by what i'm told by so many people sl his almost systemic bitterness about where he is in his political life and the blame ma that he assigns to a lot of people that he used to be close to and fond of. i had a very good, positive relationship with him journalist to politician at one point, and i had a difficult time with him during the election last time around. i couldn't get him to come on "meet the press" and privately other people had told me that he was very unhappy with me for reasons that are not entirely clear. so i think he's at a difficult place in his political life and he's obviously fighting for it against his opponent, j.d. hayworth down in arizona, in a republican primary. so we'll see how this turns out. >> a lot of anger there according to former close associates with john mccain, who
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seems to have not gotten over the 2008 election. >> well, the whole thing about not being a maverick anymore, i don't understand that, as well as the choice of words yesterday. i think some people -- >> talk about pulling the trigger. >> yeah. >> you know who did not pull the trigg trigger? >> i know someone. he's with us. >> george pataki, join in with me. actually, you, governor, we have a poll that says george pataki could be senator of new york state. >> 45 to 40. >> the same day he announces he's going to start this national campaign to repeal health care. i think we've got a president pataki in our future, don't you? >> he's my kind of candidate. this guy is a born executive. i totally understand him. >> he's not running. >> he's not running for the senate. it's lying on the ground and he's not picking it up. >> it's great that you're asking governor weld what i'm doing.
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i appreciate that. >> we know what you'd say -- we're just here fighting for the people, blah, blah, blah, blah. >> 3 to 3 1/2 miles three to four times a week. it feels just great. >> when exactly do you start going to iowa? i know people in iowa and new hampshire are probably most upset about this health care plan. >> i think people across america are upset about this health care plan. >> you would probably think they're more upset in iowa and new hampshire, wouldn't you? >> i think they're pretty upset in new york, pretty upset in washington, and i think the american people, as they know more about what has been passed, want to overturn it. part of the theory the democratic insiders in washington had was pass the bill even if it's unpopular and we lost in massachusetts and the american people will move on to the next issue and forget about it and accept it. we're not going to do this. the people understand this is going to increase deficits, krin health care costs, it's going to
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take away the existing health care plans that many americans have. they want to see it undone and reform done right. >> governor, yesterday in the boston common, sarah palin and the tea partyers were there. that may be just a small percentage of massachusetts in population, but at the same time, you've got scott brown replacing ted kennedy, something that i still find hard to believe, and it looks like the democratic governor up there is in trouble. >> well, my former number-one guy is running against him, so i hope that republican charlie baker is going to win that race. he's one of the most able people i've met in politics. >> is massachusetts not as liberal of a state as americans are led to believe? >> you know, that may be true. we've had a lot of republican govern governor, although the check and balance argument works in favor of republican candidates for governor because the legislature is 4-1 democrat and people aren't stupid. they know what's going to happen. >> let's go to the news and then i have to figure out a question
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to ask donnie deutsch to raise the standard in the "morning joe" community. >> you've been mean to him and owe him an apology. >> i'm sorry. was that heart felt? >> no. time for our top stories. let's get through these. i want to get back to these two governors. an erupting glacier volcano in iceland is causing massive disruptions from the u.s. to europe this morning. a traveling ash cloud from that eruption has grounded flights across northern europe. history shows a plume of ash can create a serious problem. an ash cloud from a volcano in alaska years ago knocked out the power of a 747 causing a major scare before the engines restarted, allowing the plane to land safely. in the '80s, another 747 flew into a dust cloud smashing in the windscreen forcing the pilot to look out a side window to land the plane. clearly, they are taking precautions. the tea party will be protesting in washington today
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to protest government spending, which members say is out of control under the obama administration. yesterday, sarah palin joined tea party activists at a boston rally, insisting taxing and spending are too high. palin blames the democrats. >> to keep borrowing and spending and inventing these big new government programs with enormous price tags, it makes no sense. all of us makes this more beholden to foreign countries. it makes us less secure and less free. and i'm not calling anyone un-american, but the unintended consequences of these actions, the results are un-american. >> hmm. >> tom brokaw, i was talking before with george pataki and william weld about the tumultuous times that we're in right now. have you seen independence shifting back and forth as much as they have over the past few years? >> yeah. i think they're a movable feat
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from a political point of view. they are moving around a lot. obviously we know in most elections these day, at whatever level, independents can drive the outcome of that election. i was going to ask governor pataki, and let me try to frame this in a political way, about the health care bill, as i stand back and look at it, it seems to me that the democrats are going to run this fall on what you could describe as the core values that take effect immediately, that you can keep the child on your own coverage plan for a while, no pre-existing conditions, insurance pools like members of congress, and the other consequences of the health care bill will not kick in until later and so therefore it is harder to make an argument against them. and we don't really know how many of them will turn out. so it is not a slam dunk for those who are opposed to health care in a political sense come the fall. >> you're totally right. it was very carefully structured
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in a political sense so that you get the benefits right away. but most of the negative things occur one, two, three, or four years down the road. just one example of that is medicare advantage. just in upstate new york in the capital region, there are 60,000 new york seniors who are going to lose this part of their health care coverage but they won't lose it for a year or two. but i think, contrary to your conclusion, the american people are more intelligent than that. they understand that this bill is going to have negative consequences for them, even if it doesn't happen between now and november, they know that longer term this is going to increase the deficit. many americans are going to have to change their health care in ways they don't want to. and they understand that we need to repeal this and put in place true reforms that are going to help deal with the issues. some of them are good things like the pre-existing condition, like not having a cap on lifetime insurance limits and not allowing insurance companies to drop people after they've been covered for a few years.
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but we need to put in place the reforms that are actually going to lower the costs and improve people's health care. >> governor pataki -- >> are you saying the president is not telling the truth when he says to people if you have a health care plan now it won't be affected? >> many millions of americans are going to have to change their plans. whether you're a senior citizen who gets drug coverage through a private insurer, private company like at&t that's going to get hit with a billion-dollar cost immediately and might drop that coverage, if you have medicare advantage where clearly that program is going to be eliminated and you're not going to be able to continue to have that health care, millions of americans are going to have to change their health care, and they don't want to. and they understand that. >> donnie deutsch, i had asked you last hour off camera, i want to ask you on now, about this health care debate. we were talking about how long the president had to make this sale. because we've been hearing there
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was going to be a bump after health care reform passed. it looks like the numbers are either flat or going in the wrong direction. are we past the time where democrats can expect an immediate plus? >> i'm a little surprised. i want to ask governor pataki a question. i'm so tired of the party of no. this is an imperfect bill and as mr. brokaw pointed out, obviously some good things are taking effect. instead of saying what's wrong with it, please tell the 40 million americans who are getting insurance now, that kid that has as ma, what would you do to reform health care? stop with what's wrong. give me five specific things that do not destroy this country, put us backward in the deficit, and make our health care system better. >> i'll give you the five right now, donny. >> thank you. >> and you're right. we have to not just be critical of what is happening in washington but offer alternatives. first of all, we can lower the cost of health care by having
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true medical malpractice reform. >> agreed. good point. >> the democrats stayed away from that. and it can save us billions of dollars and they did it to protect the constituency that donates. >> love it. >> we can allow people to purchase across state lines. if you prefer a company or the package of policies and programs that are offered in a different state, why can't you sign up for that? create a broader competitive market that crosses state lines. third, put in place health care where you have health savings accounts so you can follow the model that many companies have used where they have comprehensive health care coverage that has a high deductible. but that deductible is offset by a health savings account where the actual consumer of the health care services, people, make the decision when they're going to utilize the services. four, put in place some of the very good things that are in the bill like pre-existing conditions and lifetime caps. and five, undo the taxes that we have -- are going to be
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suffering under this new health care bill. and some of those, tom, start immediately, and instead put in place to incentivize the entrepreneurial part of our economy to create jobs and growth so we can fund our health care program and create jobs. >> the last issue walks in the wrong direction of the deficit. >> no it doesn't. >> how are we going to pay for these things if we don't tax more people? >> donny, i went through this when i was governor. we had a massive deficit and everybody said you have to raise taxes. i said no. we can cut spending, lower the tax burden, go to the private sector and in the process create more jobs and generate more government revenue through a more vibrant private economy. it happened. it worked. you can do it in washington. >> we can't have that. governor weld, what are the seven positive points of a trip to mars? that's where the president wants to take us. i want to ask about the republican party. obviously, republicans are doing well if you look at state by
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state, district by district. it looks like the republicans, most people say, bob schrum, charlie cook, say republicans are probably going to take control of the house. and yet there's a poll by ppp out the other day that showed the republican party's approval rating 28%. 51% still oppose the republican party. in donny deutsch speak, that is a battered brand. what does the republican party have to do to get their act together so when people go to the polls this fall they won't be just voting against health care reform, barack obama, big deficits? >> there's a lot of energy out there in favor of the republican point of view in general, i think, and the tea party is a very good outlet for that energy. and, you know, my prescription would be to try to fold in tea party folks over time and enlist that energy. i think, contrary to what you were saying about the president not getting a bump from health care, i think they have gotten a
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bump and it's a confidence bump in washington. and i wouldn't be a bit surprised if they get through this financial regulatory overhaul that they're pushing right now and maybe even an energy bill, something like the bipartisan out of the energy committee without the cap and trade and then they'd have two or three things to point to. so, this thing could tighten up, but i would agree with the consensus that the republicans probably pick up a minimum of 30 in the house and six in the senate. that would leave them a little bit short in both houses. >> right. tom, what's going on where you have both political parties in dire straits? the democratic party last week, according to a gallup poll, at its lowest measurement since gallup started taking the poll 20 years ago, and the republican party, as i said, sitting at about 28% favorability rating. what's going on with both parties? >> there's one overriding conclusion that you can draw from all that, and that is that there's an enormous aversion between where the country lives
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and works and tries to build its life and what goes on in washington. >> and you saw that on your program. >> i did when i went across the country. community by community, whatever state, red state or blue state, you'd find on main street and the rural areas people working together, not bound by ideological considerations but really committed to solutions to whatever they had to do to get the community repaired again, get their economy working again, and i think that there's a real separation now between what goes on out on the ground, if you will, and what goes on in washington. tea party is a perfect example of that. these are not people who are embracing washington or saying we want to go to washington and change anything. this is a populist uprising from the ground up. >> right. >> and what i don't know about the tea party yet is what it is that they're for. i know what they're against. and you look at "the new york times" poll that mika is about to show us, and one of the, i think, striking numbers here is the view of the government tea
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party unfavorable opinion of barack obama, 84% disawe prove of the way congress is doing its job, 96%. rate the economy fairly bad or very bad, 93%. rate their own household's financial situation fairly bad or very bad only 20%. you have prosperous people trying to hang onto what they've got and they've learned how to organize. that's a movable feast out there and we don't know where it's going to land. >> absolutely. one final note, another poll just out today, i'm trying to think of who it is. >> bbb. >> 46 versus 48 would rather have president bush in office. >> bush versus obama. almost 50/50. >> that's a great poll. but the fact is president bush is not going to come back to
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challenge him, constitutionally unable to, we have to deal with the reality, and we cannot forget that this country has undergone in the last three years a disruption of seismic proportions in its economy and called into question fundamental values of who we are and how we live our lives. and you go across the country, you have more and more people saying, as they said to me, look, we're all responsible, we're all in on this, you know, we're all overspending, all reaching too far. >> that's right. >> and they're prepared now to reorganize and reorder their lives and try to figure out how they can go on with their neighbors and move their business from a 2% decline in the first quarter last year to a 5% increase this year. >> all right. george pataki, when are you announcing you're running for president? >> right here on "morning joe," right? >> i'm going to work hard to repeal and reform health care in this country. >> william weld, when he announces, will you be on the pataki train? >> maybe i move back to massachusetts, run for vice
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president and then i'm on the pataki ticket. >> i love it! >> love it. >> governors george pataki and william weld, thank you very much. >> thanks, guys. really appreciate it. coming up, a new contract with america. republicans take a page out of newt's 1994 playbook in hopes of winning back the white house. details next in the "politico playbook." and senator tom coburn joins us. we'll ask if he is too nice for gop. what? here, kitty. here, kitty.
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♪ sometimes you win sometimes you lose ♪ >> and liftoff of "discovery." >> for nearly half a century, the united states has been a world leader in exploring the final frontier, first to the moon, inspiring a nation and paving the way for countless advancements in science. president obama's plan to cut nasa's budget means never again will americans see astronauts suck jell-o through a straw, eat floating bananas, or doing funny experiments with a frog. write president obama. don't let these super fun times come to an end. this message paid for by astronaut who is love super fun times in space. >> that's a good reason to keep the space program right there. >> exactly. let's take a look at the morning paper. donny, you for the space
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program? >> i think that on the list of things i put it very low. we can put that aside for now. >> all right. "wall street journal" is leading with "goldman director in probe. "prosecutors are examining whether goldman sachs' board member gave inside information about the company during the height of the financial crisis. >> "the los angeles times" -- u.s. boosts anti-taliban special forces, a secret buildup of elite teams reflect that time is running out to overtake the taliban. ? and "the new york times." "connecticut attorney general richard blumenthal is showing some rust in his bid for the united states senate. he struggled recently in his first televised debate and some are calling the democratic front-runner, quote, martha coakley." >> ouch. >> that's not even close to being accurate. >> that's cheap. >> i liked the carol king thing, james taylor thing. >> we love carol king. >> carol is just wonderful. >> we love her. "usa today." "your tweets made history." i don't get why they're doing
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this but the library of congress will archive every public tweet since twitter began, making some worry about privacy issues and me wonder what congress is doing archiving tweets. >> do you know that james taylor -- i did not know this until i read a book -- he dated carol king. >> carly simon. >> carly simon. >> i think joanie mitchell. >> mika? >> she may be the only person james taylor hasn't dated. >> chicks dig rock stars. that's pretty much it. >> let the record show he's very happily married now to a woman. >> take your time. >> donny, bring it down. >> he's got a good life. he's in a good place. and he's going to do a big concert this summer, you know, at tanglewood. it's been sold out for like six months with carol king. >> yeah. >> very excited. and i think we're going to go see him at madison square garden. james taylor. going to be awesome. >> another big superstar waiting
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right now, mike allen, chief political correspondent for politico. he's got a look at the morning playbook. hey, mike. >> morning, all. >> talk contract with america, not the 1994 version that joe helped with but the new one. what are republicans thinking? >> yeah. house republicans have decided that they need to put out a manifesto of their own as they go into the fall, campaign, hoping to pick up a majority in the house. they say that in coming months they're going to set up social networks, have town meetings to get people's input on what should be in it. you'll hear a lot about what house republican, if they got the majority, would do, if we had a speaker boehner, would do for small businesses, workers, families. now, there's a split among republicans. should this be a list of very specific legislation that we could deliver, that people could check off, much like 1994's contract was, or should this be a little vague, more talk about our ideals and leave us little room to run if the winds change at the last minute in the fall? >> donny, we talked about the
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battered republican brand. what do you recommend? can you be specific or just general allies? >> first thing i would do is kill the tea party. we were talking off camera. that is the greatest gift they've given the democrats. they've branded the far right. that's what we're running against. whereas we all know the scott brown, the purple, the socially moderate, fiscally conservative republican, is the answer. that point, the point should be along that line. don't touch immigration, don't get too spicy, the mother lode, centrist, purple issues in there and they can't lose. >> tom brokaw, you were talking about the tea party before on the front page of "the new york times." do you think the tea party helps or hurts the republicans? >> i don't think it helps the republicans, and my guess is that it will -- i think it's kind of got a ross perot-like quality about it, going into the fall, they're more inclined to get involved in republican races, having tea party candidates challenge in republican primaries. i think a lot of mainstream
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republicans will be trying to win in marginal districts will have to defend the tea party a lot. it's a genuine movement, there's no question about that. the larger issue at some point is, as i said earlier, is we need to know what they're for not just what they're against, what they would change, what they would take out of the budget, and get specific about it. but they can light the screens up and certainly they light the blogosphere up. and this election, more than any other one that we've gone through, will be driven by all this technology. >> the 20% has always been far right. they've always branded themselves and given the democrats something to point at. it is such a backfiring maneuver for them. >> i don't know that you can brand the entire tea party as the far right. they're more likely to be republican than democrat. these people are pro people. they're reagan democrats. they're the people that voted for reagan twice, clinton twice, bush twice. some of them for obama.
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>> but i still think in its dna, my point is running, if i'm obama, i point to them, they still feel scary. so forget the reality of what makes them up. >> scare a guy that lives in the zip code that you live in, man. >> okay. today. you've called me an elitist. what else? >> scumbag. >> scumbag elitist. that's my new title. brokaw lives in my zip code. >> brokaw is all midwest, man. you are all park avenue. >> not ashamed of that. >> queens, let's not forget. >> mike, thanks so much. >> you haven't been out to queens in a decade. >> not true. >> mike, thanks. we'll be checking out today. coming up, will the rally continue on wall street? cnbc's erin burnett live at the new york stock exchange. and looking ahead to tomorrow, i don't know how this happened, but the director of "avatar," james cameron, will be with us here on "morning joe." [ woman ] nine iron, it's almost tee-time.
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taking a look at times square, going -- well, going north there. >> yes, they're going north. >> those cars are streaming down to wall street to see what international superstar erin burnett has to say about the future of the markets today. and some new numbers out on jobless claims, erin. what's it looking like, and secondly, why didn't you wear the bright yellow on the same day mika did yesterday? >> mika inspired me. i saw her yesterday looking springy and i said you know what, i'm going to pull my yellow out. >> you're popping. >> that's right. i figure, you know, it's a little chilly out so let's get the daffodil look going. we had a positive -- we had a positive night last night. by the way, market with a strong end of the day rally and names like u.p.s. coming out better than expected. this morning a little bit of a
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wet blanket on that, a lower open, but the real issue is jobless claims. we had a big jump for the second week in a row in terms of people filing for new unemployment benefits. >> what's going on there? we had great news last month or pretty good news. >> right. >> you don't want to be optim t optimistic but pretty good news. but now sttwo bad weeks. why? >> part of it is maybe they don't have the data right, the easter holiday, seasonal adjustments may matter but we're just seeing a slow improvement in hiring and that's why ben bernanke yesterday said rates will stay exceptionally low for an extended period of time on the same day that jamie diamond and jpmorgan chase says delinquencies are improving and we're on track for a strong recovery. maybe that's why ben bernanke refuses to be more ebullient. >> who do you listen to more just in that head of yours? you can't say it out loud too much on your show because you'll
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offend some people. are you listening to jamie diamond or ben bernanke? >> it's a tough one. >> not really. >> jamie diamond has his finger on the pulse of pretty much everything people do. >> right. >> in terms of lending and credit cards. it's national, well, international. >> and that's my point. >> right. >> he actually not a professor. he's there day in and day out. >> right. >> explain how he does. he sees things coming and going. it's his business to know trends. >> it is. the only thing ben bernanke has that jamie doesn't is he could see citigroup and bank of america and everybody else, too, and there could be some bigger issues in some of those other institutions. so stha ear different. how about that, joe? >> i guess that's a cop-out. >> they're separate but equal. >> what about you, erin? are you getting a bit more optimistic that by midsummer, early fall this economy may start showing some signs of life? >> you know, joe, i don't know, but i'll leave you with this, and we can talk about this later. i found the most optimistic view of the housing market we've seen in a long time.
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former chief economist at goldman sachs sid we are going to be on the track for the biggest housing recovery in a long time. >> you can tell the kids on wall street, joe is bullish on the economy.
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welcome back to "morning joe." with us now, republican from oklahoma, senator tom coburn. always great talking to you. >> good morning, senator. >> good morning. how are you guys? >> i was so proud of you last week when people started hissing about nancy to say she's a good woman. you and i both worked with her. you and i were against her policies day in and day out. she's a good woman, good family. tom, that's what we need in washington and god bless you for doing it, making it about policy, not making it personal. >> well, you know, the problem in our country and the danger that we're about to fall into is to totally question everybody's motives and to say because they don't agree with us that they're either un-american or they don't care. you know, i think the biggest -- the biggest point that we have to make is i think we can win our debates on the issues without demeaning individuals. and i think we fall into a trap
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of cynicism and cruelty if we attack people personally rather than on the basis of great, good arguments. >> senator coburn, you have given the playbook, as far as i'm concerned, to all awl republicans running. by starting out with, hey, you know, barack obama, good guy, love to have him over for dinner, but boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, that's the -- you can go harder and they don't seem to get that. you're the first guy -- and i disagree with a lot of your opinions, sir, but you're the first guy that gets the way you deliver the hardest message, the way you put the spike in the heart is by first not being personal and say nice guy, but. and you just gave them the playbook, sir. >> well, we'll see. the point is that's the way i was raised. joe knows, as he worked with me in the house, i've never tried to do anything personally against people. i just tell you that we win on the issues, and they're really clear right now. the federal government is way too big. we can't afford the government we've got. it's outside the enumerated
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powers. and we're trying to interfere in people's lives in ways they don't want, and it's very plain to the american people. we're damaging the future of our children immensely right now with what we're doing. >> and by the way, donny deutsch, tom coburn and barack obama, good friends in the united states senate, as well. so, tom, yesterday ben bernanke came out and said what you've been saying for a very long time -- these deficits are unsustainable. the congressional budget head last week came out saying these deficits are unsustainable. even barack obama six months ago said these deficits are, unsustainable, and yet nobody wants to cut anything. >> well, we lost -- just yesterday we lost the first amendment that i offered to just good, smart money management. if you have money sitting at agencies that is borrowed but isn't being spent, why don't we use that money to pay for unemployment insurance? any business that takes over
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another business, the first thing they do is utilize their cash more efficiently so they lower their debt. that was voted down 50-something to 46. and we'll have two more amendments today to try to pay for it. but there's the resistance. if we don't start making the the hard choices, joe, about what is a priority and what isn't, helping people who are unemployed is a priority, continuing spending programs that are much lower than that is not a priority. let's cut some of those so we can take care of the greatest priority. and we don't have a congress that's willing to do that. >> well, and we've been talking about the hard choices on this show for sure. it's very hard to decide what hard choices to make. can you give us some examples? >> well, sure. we can outline $300 billion worth of waste or fraud in the federal government every year. and when we go to offer those programs -- and none of them have metrics on them, by the way. we can't even measure them because we don't have a metric. the offering of those amendments gets rejected. because the typical politician
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doesn't want to offensive end anybody so, the only person they're willing to offensive end is their children and grandchildren. i'll give you just a real easy example. we have 105 programs that encourages and incentivizes kids to go into math, engineering, science, and technology. why do we have 105 programs across six different agencies? we identified 640 different government programs that are duplicative of each other. we offered an amendment to get rid of them, bring them down to one for each. totally rejected. that saves hundreds of billions of dollars a year. we won't do it. we've got $100 billion a year in fraud and medicare alone. we didn't do anything on that in the health care bill. that's $100 billion that's undermining that entitlement program. we're not fixing it because people don't have the courage to make -- or they're too lazy, one or the other -- to make the hard choices. >> hey, tom, the reason why obviously i considered you a
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great conservative champion when i worked side by side with you, but my respect for you grew immensely in 2004, 2005, 2006, when most republicans in the senate kept their mouths shut as republican deficits skyrocketed. so let me ask you in 2010, does the republican party finally get it? are you confident, tom, this morning that if republicans take control of the senate next year they'll any more conservative than they were the last time they were in control of the senate. >> oh, i think they've learned a big lesson. if you could just step back for a minute, when you have a president that leads with a new entitlement program that's not paid for, i.e., medicare part d, and they have to twist arms to get it, they all tasted the bitterness. there's no question trying to help people buy the drugs is a good thing, but not paying for it is not a good thing. so we have a $12 trillion unfunded liability on medicare d. i think they've learned a great
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lesson from that. i don't know if we're going to have that much of an increase in the senate, but i can tell you the ones who are going to be here are going to be vastly more fiscally conservative than what you've seen in the past. >> senator coburn, thank you. by the way, just asking the question that some are asking -- >> "the washington post." >> -- are you too nice for the gop? >> i don't think so. you guys have a great day. >> all right. aren't you sweet. thank you very much. that was very nice of him. i thought it was kind of sad that everyone thought it was so refreshing. >> we've seen some people in the past couple day, donny deutsch, that there are sort of signs of life. tom coburn comes on, says things that we want to hear republicans say. yesterday paul ryan came here, said -- outlined things, was it personal. chris christy sat in that chair a couple days ago, man, showing a lot of courage. >> yes. >> with a state that's melting down. >> a winning strategy. >> it really is. >> i'm not saying i want the republicans to win, but if i ever switch to the other side,
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everything. >> funny. >> nick offerman plays boss ron swanson on nbc's "park and recreation. "pokes fun at the world of municipal government. great to have you with us, nick. >> thank you. >> you guys have broken through this season, "parks and recreation." sometimes i think the first year got lost in "the office" mix, kind of a similar format. how are you doing this year? >> we're doing great. yeah. i think that, you know, we had that trial period of six episodes where people were deciding that it wasn't "the office," and then we sort of came out with our own voice this fall and it's been really great. people are really take on the show. >> did you do things differently? did you look at the first season and say we need to change it up? >> i think maybe the first six were the warm-up round where we went out and shot baskets and saw who could pass the ball. and then we're like, all right, let's post up down low and score
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some points. >> can i ask you about the rumors? amy poehler, green m and ms in her dressing room. >> her behavior in a word is untenable. she is -- >> untenable. >> set up the show a little bit for people who maybe haven't seen it. how do you make local government exciting? >> well, it's -- you know, we don't. in a nutshell. we find comedy in the everyday human foibles of local government officials. >> what this show does basically. >> yeah, just on a smaller scale. in the a town in indiana, we find a lot of comedy in the -- all of the human problems that these government officials run into while not a whole lot gets done. >> and you sort of take these small local issues and blow them into entire episodes, which i love. >> yeah. yeah. you know, the tiniest municipal question can become a major
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newspaper story in our town. >> potholes, things like that. >> absolutely. speed bumps. >> sure. >> big drama. >> huge. you've got a great cast besides amy poehler. you have some rising stars you're working with there. >> yes. aziz asari has been on fire. he's got a comedy career that's like a meteor. i think he's -- >> he's hilarious. he's just been pegged to host the oscars in 2012, i think. and this young man, chris pratt, is a huge favorite. i kind of despise him. he's -- because he's gorgeous, hilario hilarious, and really sweet. >> willie geist, basically. >> pretty much that's the way -- >> is that what you were thinking? >> and speaking of amy poehler, you said her behavior, in one word, untenable, also very hard to shoot episodes because she keeps getting pregnant. >> what's that about? >> didn't she just have a baby? >> i had a very stern
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conversation with her husband, will arnett, in this last imp g impregnation, and we've come to an understanding. >> just one every ten months? >> we're going to space it out a little bit. every couple seasons, perhaps. >> boy, they are waste nothing time. >> i got to tell you, "parks and recreation," good show. >> nice to meet you. >> thanks for coming on. catch it on nbc every thursday night, including tonight, 8:30 eastern, 7:30 central. thanks. >> thanks.
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isn't that great? i love that. welcome back to "morning joe." william, what did you learn today? >> we didn't quite understand what was happening. >> check this out. >> it's great. you go into starbucks today, you bring any reusable container, not just this one, free coffee. just show up with a plastic mug, put your hands out, whatever you want to do, they'll pour you free coffee. and while you're there you can buy one of these and help the planet. >> that's nice, willie. good job. >> carol king has been after us for some time to use reusable things. >> she e-mailed me every day and i started using one. >> all right. time to go. >> i've learned if i come in in 2024 on "morning joe" to talk about the nuclear threat of burma, i will still be the tiger guy. >> grandpa. >> i defer to you. it's too early and we're late. >> too early. what time is it?
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>> time for "morning joe." right now it's time for "the daily rundown" with chuck and savannah. >> there is nothing confining about this experience. >> "the daily rundown" interview with first lady michelle obama. we are live in mexico city. >> and it's one small debate for man, astronaut versus astronaut. the debate over the president's space budget. following neil armstrong's tough


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